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Copenhagen Police.
How can I help?
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Yes, Please send the
pictures through to us.
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And he saw them together?
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May I take your name?
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Pernille Rønnebæk.
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And it was in the harbour area
at 19.10 that you saw them?
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Yes, please send
any photos to us.
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The Investigation
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Day 4
14ᵗʰ August 2017
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My guys are cataloging and describing
each item that we have found.
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We could immediately conclude there
was human blood in the submarine.
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Okay.
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How much?
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Not, that much. And there is no
guarantee that it is her blood.
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38,000 litres of salt water
has been through the sub, so
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finding anything is an
achievement in itself.
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But you have sent the
blood for DNA analysis?
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Yes, of course.
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We just don't know if it
is enough to get a match.
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In addition we found a green
water hose and some iron bars.
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Let's catch up later when we are
ready to hand it over to you.
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Anna, in your expert
opinion - what happened?
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Let us finish our job and then it is
all yours by the end of the day. Okay?
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The phone lines have been glowing all morning
with all sorts of info from the public.
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Some that state that the accused and
the journalist knew each other.
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That they were having an affair and well
known pair in Copenhagen's S&M scene.
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Some say that he has a very
active and advanced sex life.
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And his closest friends state that he is
innocent and it must be a misunderstanding.
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And when will the
room be ready for us?
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Should be ready in
couple of hours.
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Hi.
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Hello.
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And then we have received a video
taken by a tourist shortly after 8pm.
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On it we can see a small motorised
boat next to the submarine.
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How close?
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Close enough to easily
go between the two.
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And who was in this boat?
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We don’t know.
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The video is taken around 100 metres away
from a ferry, so we can't see who it is.
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Did anyone board the submarine?
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Was it not just the
two of them, then?
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Or she got off and she was not
on-board when the sub sank.
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It's Jens.
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Yes.
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I have no comment at this time.
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Mmmm
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Yes, you will be the first to know.
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You probably all know Jakob
Buch, our Special Prosecutor.
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He's not here to interfere in our
work, but to tell us about his.
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Over to you, Jakob.
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Yes. Thank you.
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As most of you know, the suspect
was remanded in custody for
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4 weeks on Saturday on the
grounds of Negligent Homicide.
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He may appeal that, but you should have at
least 4 weeks to make progress in the case.
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I neither can nor want
to interfere in the
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investigation, but I need
to highlight the importance
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of finding sufficient
evidence of intention so
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we can have him locked up
for the right reason.
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Now there are many
possibilities and theories.
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Maybe they knew
each other already.
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Maybe they had an affair.
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Maybe the hatch did kill her or maybe
something completely different.
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All of these are theories
and as you know there
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is a big difference between
facts and theory.
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A theory is something
we cannot prove.
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Facts are something
we can prove.
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And if we are talking about murder,
then I need to be able to prove it.
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Otherwise he walks.
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It's that simple.
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I thought you would not
interfere in our work?
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I am not, but the quality of my work is totally
depending on the quality of your work.
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So - all hands on deck.
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Thank you.
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Thanks.
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A person can die in one of 4 ways:
- Natural Death, Accident, Suicide or Murder.
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The accused claims
it was an accident.
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We believe it was murder.
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So these are the two
possibilities we are faced with.
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Therefore.
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Murder.
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Accident.
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We know from CCTV, photos and witnesses
that the submarine sails off at around 19.00.
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We know that she sent a text
message to her boyfriend at 20.25.
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And she writes: 'still alive, btw (that means
By the Way) going down now. i love you.'
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You gotta ask if there are signs there
that she is afraid of something.
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It doesn't really seem so.
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She was a journalist so she is used
to work in different situations.
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And on all the pictures we have from the
departure she is happy and smiling.
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So
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Text message to the boyfriend
at 20.25.
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Thereafter we have a black hole.
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Until the submarine is seen next morning
at 10.00 and then suddenly it sinks at 10.22.
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And the accused is rescued
on-board a small boat and
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taken to Dragør Harbour and
brought into our custody.
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So, what happened in those 14
hours, between 8.25pm and 10.22am?
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Yes?
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I'm trying to find out who keeps
tabs on the sea traffic in Øresund.
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And if this is stored
and of good enough
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quality to see the movements
of the submarine.
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And it looks like I need to go
over to Malmö to get this info.
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So, I'll have to
report on that later.
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Musa?
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As part of the questioning
of the accused,
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I came across an article
in a Sunday paper.
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Our accused makes a statement.
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He says:
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I hope to get famous
for a criminal act.
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Not robbing a bank - Shit no.
No one should be hurt.
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Secretly I want to build a gigantic
fireballoon and fly it over Copenhagen.
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With a fleet of police
cars following me below.
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The balloon will land in-between
the spires on Roskilde
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Cathedral while the police
wait to capture me.
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And then he says, and I quote:
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I don't know if it is exactly
this that will happen
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but I sure want to make
a 'Gigantic Happening.'
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Then we apparently have
the third possibility.
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Yes.
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Uhhh, Maibritt?
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Yes?
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The small boat that was
next to the submarine.
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We need to find who
was sailing it.
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Okay.
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Happening!
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Could she have gone
over to the small boat?
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And sat there hiding while she wrote an
article about being a victim of a crime.
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That would be a bit
of a 'happening!'
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But one where no one got hurt.
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This is Maibritt Porse
from Copenhagen Police.
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I'm calling as we are looking
for the owner of a small
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motorboat in relation to a
case we are investigating.
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Oh, I don't know exactly, but
we think it is around 24 feet.
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Yes.
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I understand. But I thought you
could maybe forward a e-mail to
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your members and ask them to
contact us if they know anything.
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Fantastic.
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What's your e-mail?
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Yes.
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and... is it - dot com?
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ah, DK.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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I will be in touch.
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Bye.
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Any news?
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No, not yet.
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But I am calling all sailing
clubs within 45km, also on
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the Swedish side and ask them
to contact their members.
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We wait and see.
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Musa went to pick up a young man
who works at the accused workshop.
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I would like you
to question him.
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Okay.
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We have also made contact
with one of his girlfriends.
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Maybe one of them
knows something.
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Musa has prepared room #5.
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Imagine if it's all
just a 'happening.'
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Do you know why you are here?
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Yes.
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Good.
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Then let's get
straight to the point.
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How long have you known him?
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For...2 years.
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What do you do when
you are together?
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All sorts...
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I mean, I help him
in the workshop.
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He's always got some
crazy stuff going on.
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Like what?
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Well... nothing dangerous.
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Just....
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ummmm
well...
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I cannot possibly imagine that
he's done anything to this woman.
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No, but we are just simply trying
to find out what's happened.
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We..we talk a lot
about the war and...
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sometimes we just speak
German to each other.
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Have you ever seen him
angry or aggressive?
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Well.. he has a temper, right?
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But...
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That's required to achieve
anything in this world, eh?
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Mmmm
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What else did you talk about?
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We....we just talk a lot.
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About what?
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Well...
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Our future plans...
and fantasies... and
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What sort of fantasies?
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I don't know.
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It's not....
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anything specific.
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When will you let him go?
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He's been placed in
4 weeks detention.
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But that's decided by the judge.
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But...
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You don't seriously
think he's killed her?
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The only thing I think, is that
you are not telling us everything.
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What do you mean?
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What exactly did you talk about?
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Exactly what fantasies?
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We talked a lot...
about 2ⁿᵈ World War
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and projects for the workshop
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and...
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historical persons
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perfect crimes
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hot air balloons.
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We are both fascinated by this.
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The accused has explained he threw
the body in the sea between
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Falsterbro in Sweden and Vedøre and
there are some 35km between the two.
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For each specified area we set 4 buoy's
and create a square on the seabed.
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Bottom up to the buoy
is called a 'stage.'
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20m by 200m.
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3 divers together swim
from side to side
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and search to seabed to
ensure we don't miss anything.
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Once a 'stage' is fully searched, we
move the buoy's and create a new 'stage'
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And we carry on and on and on,
square after square after square.
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I fully understand this
is not simple, but...
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If we can't narrow it down
more, then it could take a
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hell of long time to go
through the whole Øresund.
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This is Jens.
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Yes, you can write that
we have helicopters
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in the air and dogs all
along the coastline.
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Yes, and also divers in the sea.
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No, that's not
possible right now.
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No... I promise you will
be the first to know.
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hmmm?
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Okay. Good.
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We need to get going.
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We won't find anything
hanging around here.
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- Hello Jens.
- Hello Joachim.
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Hello.
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I...I would like to go
through Kim's computer,
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so I have asked Swedish
police to pick it up.
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What for?
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Just to see if there is anything
there that can help us.
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Like what?
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Like for example... e-mails, or photos,
Facebook messages. Maybe they knew each other.
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No, they didn't. No. No..
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Isn't it important that
we confirm that?
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Right, but..
Do you have a warrant?
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No... no
We don't.
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I'm not sure we can just let
you go through her stuff.
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Uhh. I don't get it.
Why not?
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Because Kim is a
journalist, Jens.
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Yes?
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There will be info on
lot of people that...
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could end up in danger
and need protection.
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There are women that risk their
lives for their beliefs.
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And they trust her
confidentiality.
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Joachim. We are only interested
in something linked to the case.
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Yes, but if we just hand over her
computer and passwords then we have
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no guarantee that you or someone
else don't also read all the rest.
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No, no.
I need to speak to Ingrid first.
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How would you describe
your relationship?
251
00:16:37,058 --> 00:16:39,225
Uhhh... as a good relationship!
252
00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:40,002
Yes?
253
00:16:40,022 --> 00:16:40,624
Yes.
254
00:16:40,990 --> 00:16:43,265
Are you friends? or
in relationship? or..
255
00:16:43,463 --> 00:16:44,605
No, we are friends.
256
00:16:45,067 --> 00:16:45,850
and...
257
00:16:46,061 --> 00:16:47,273
then..also a bit...
258
00:16:50,422 --> 00:16:51,557
also a bit?
259
00:16:52,488 --> 00:16:53,255
Yes.
260
00:16:55,808 --> 00:16:57,223
So, you sleep together?
261
00:16:57,227 --> 00:16:58,167
- Yes.
- Right.
262
00:16:58,394 --> 00:16:59,046
Well...
263
00:17:00,736 --> 00:17:01,316
Yes.
264
00:17:02,394 --> 00:17:03,011
Yes.
265
00:17:05,211 --> 00:17:07,625
Has he ever been violent
or aggressive towards you?
266
00:17:07,627 --> 00:17:08,369
No.
267
00:17:14,179 --> 00:17:16,267
Well, unless we agree
on it upfront.
268
00:17:17,162 --> 00:17:19,446
And it is part of the game.
269
00:17:20,423 --> 00:17:21,070
Right.
270
00:17:22,448 --> 00:17:23,099
Okay.
271
00:17:24,099 --> 00:17:29,365
Uhhh... and then we went sometimes
to S&M and Fetish parties.
272
00:17:30,328 --> 00:17:32,777
But it was difficult to
get him to do anything.
273
00:17:34,988 --> 00:17:36,498
Because he is very polite.
274
00:17:37,124 --> 00:17:38,390
And very careful.
275
00:17:39,822 --> 00:17:41,784
Have you ever met the
Swedish journalist?
276
00:17:41,808 --> 00:17:43,667
[shaking head]
277
00:17:43,837 --> 00:17:45,157
Has he talked about her?
278
00:17:45,910 --> 00:17:46,754
No, never.
279
00:17:46,847 --> 00:17:47,808
- No?
- No.
280
00:17:49,145 --> 00:17:49,756
Okay.
281
00:17:56,186 --> 00:17:57,933
Have you been into
the submarine?
282
00:17:58,754 --> 00:18:00,157
[nodding head]
283
00:18:00,637 --> 00:18:01,894
Have you sailed in it?
284
00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:02,926
Yes.
285
00:18:06,741 --> 00:18:08,110
Did you have sex in it?
286
00:18:10,208 --> 00:18:11,251
[nodding head]
287
00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:14,868
Many times?
288
00:18:16,217 --> 00:18:17,664
No, just once.
289
00:18:18,535 --> 00:18:19,609
How was it?
290
00:18:22,167 --> 00:18:23,381
Uhh...what do you mean?
291
00:18:24,564 --> 00:18:26,463
I mean was it S&M
stuff or normal sex?
292
00:18:26,464 --> 00:18:29,137
No. it was just normal sex.
It was just...
293
00:18:29,576 --> 00:18:30,869
Yes it was, I think.
294
00:18:32,024 --> 00:18:32,732
Loving.
295
00:18:46,539 --> 00:18:47,584
Listen now.
296
00:18:48,105 --> 00:18:49,750
He is not a monster.
297
00:18:50,872 --> 00:18:52,239
He really isn't.
298
00:18:57,539 --> 00:19:00,732
Of course I don't know what happened, but
I'm sure he didn't do anything wrong.
299
00:19:01,178 --> 00:19:02,391
I'm sure of it.
300
00:19:19,933 --> 00:19:20,420
Hi.
301
00:19:20,697 --> 00:19:21,173
Hello.
302
00:19:21,795 --> 00:19:22,238
Hi.
303
00:19:22,263 --> 00:19:24,008
I've asked Jakob to join us.
304
00:19:24,869 --> 00:19:26,750
So he can get a picture
of where we are at.
305
00:19:28,985 --> 00:19:29,876
Where is Musa?
306
00:19:30,543 --> 00:19:31,892
He went out to the submarine.
307
00:19:32,305 --> 00:19:33,486
Have forensics finished with it?
308
00:19:33,535 --> 00:19:34,059
No.
309
00:19:34,285 --> 00:19:36,491
But he couldn't wait any longer.
310
00:19:37,117 --> 00:19:37,630
Right.
311
00:19:39,171 --> 00:19:39,745
Nikolaj?
312
00:19:39,904 --> 00:19:43,451
Yes. I have created a time-line
where I have highlighted facts.
313
00:19:43,614 --> 00:19:47,738
and.... what we don't know.
So we are up to date here.
314
00:19:48,110 --> 00:19:51,862
Unfortunately I have not yet been able
to chart the route the submarine took.
315
00:19:51,862 --> 00:19:56,735
The radar control has either been
wiped or is not detailed enough.
316
00:19:57,096 --> 00:19:58,360
Any help from Malmö?
317
00:19:58,742 --> 00:20:00,553
I am still waiting for
them to come back.
318
00:20:03,781 --> 00:20:04,728
What about you?
319
00:20:04,873 --> 00:20:06,211
- Anything new?
- Yes.
320
00:20:06,626 --> 00:20:09,640
So far no luck in finding
the small boat, but we have
321
00:20:09,665 --> 00:20:12,932
questioned some people and it
is clear that the accused was
322
00:20:12,957 --> 00:20:16,165
fascinated by the thought of
committing the perfect crime
323
00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:19,561
and that he had a sex life
pushing all normal boundaries.
324
00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:23,226
And then there are the rumours that
they knew each other beforehand.
325
00:20:23,598 --> 00:20:24,987
And what do these rumours say?
326
00:20:25,243 --> 00:20:29,523
Many that say they know someone who has seen
them kissing at a bar in Christianshavn.
327
00:20:29,550 --> 00:20:31,406
Or that they have been
together to sex parties.
328
00:20:31,423 --> 00:20:33,728
However, nothing that has
been confirmed first hand.
329
00:20:35,009 --> 00:20:38,624
But we've had a tip from a woman,
that heard that a doctor
330
00:20:38,649 --> 00:20:42,328
from Ryde hospital had seen
them kissing in Christianshavn.
331
00:20:42,544 --> 00:20:43,218
A doctor?
332
00:20:43,218 --> 00:20:45,873
Yes, a Lennart Stauner.
333
00:20:46,582 --> 00:20:47,840
Have we spoken to him?
334
00:20:47,871 --> 00:20:50,045
No, but I have set up a
meeting with him later.
335
00:20:50,421 --> 00:20:55,272
If he confirms their relationship, then we
need to re-look at jealousy as a motive.
336
00:20:55,611 --> 00:20:56,333
Yeah.
337
00:20:58,750 --> 00:21:00,680
Or someone is taking
us for a ride.
338
00:21:01,528 --> 00:21:04,106
When was it exactly that the
little boat was next to the sub?
339
00:21:04,195 --> 00:21:05,120
At 20.15.
340
00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:09,832
So, it was before she
sent the text message.
341
00:21:10,568 --> 00:21:11,950
Nikolaj, let's add
that to the time-line.
342
00:21:11,954 --> 00:21:12,824
Yes, sure.
343
00:21:17,516 --> 00:21:18,367
This is Jens.
344
00:21:20,589 --> 00:21:21,853
And where did you hear that?
345
00:21:22,217 --> 00:21:23,652
What was the name?
Lennart..
346
00:21:23,755 --> 00:21:24,789
Lennart Stauner.
347
00:21:26,296 --> 00:21:28,039
Are you planning
to put that out?
348
00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:31,108
No, we definitely have
no comment to that.
349
00:21:33,489 --> 00:21:34,443
What was that?
350
00:21:34,588 --> 00:21:37,680
The press has apparently also
heard that they had an affair.
351
00:21:38,542 --> 00:21:41,127
One of the papers are thinking
to make it a headline.
352
00:21:56,636 --> 00:21:58,926
They say it will take
at least one more hour.
353
00:22:02,994 --> 00:22:05,326
Why don't you go home and
start over tomorrow?
354
00:22:05,449 --> 00:22:06,507
Its getting late.
355
00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:08,520
What do I do at home?
356
00:22:09,363 --> 00:22:10,316
Sleep.
357
00:22:11,659 --> 00:22:15,073
I haven't been waiting all weekend for
this and then just go home now to sleep.
358
00:22:17,081 --> 00:22:18,036
Okay.
359
00:22:27,378 --> 00:22:30,834
We have investigated various aspects of
the case, but I can't go into details.
360
00:22:30,859 --> 00:22:32,717
But we are still missing the body.
361
00:22:33,199 --> 00:22:35,591
We fully assume that we
are looking for a body.
362
00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:38,783
And that we do primarily
in the sea around Køge.
363
00:22:38,858 --> 00:22:41,625
Both on the Danish and
the Swedish side.
364
00:22:52,803 --> 00:22:53,301
Nero!
365
00:22:56,348 --> 00:22:57,001
Come.
366
00:23:17,511 --> 00:23:18,351
It's Jens Møller.
367
00:23:18,376 --> 00:23:21,904
Hello, this is the News Channel,
I wanted to ask if you would
368
00:23:22,015 --> 00:23:25,400
come in and talk to us about
the latest in the submarine-case.
369
00:23:25,642 --> 00:23:26,898
The submarine-case?
370
00:23:27,212 --> 00:23:28,883
Is that what you call it?
371
00:23:30,388 --> 00:23:32,798
Something that the tabloids
seem to have done.
372
00:23:33,657 --> 00:23:36,778
It's much too early to say
anything at this point. But I do
373
00:23:36,803 --> 00:23:40,126
promise you will be the first to
know when there are any news.
374
00:23:40,606 --> 00:23:41,517
Is that okay?
375
00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:43,263
Yes, I look forward
to hear from you.
376
00:23:43,274 --> 00:23:44,106
Good.
Thanks.
377
00:24:04,949 --> 00:24:05,574
Hi Musa.
378
00:24:05,731 --> 00:24:06,361
What's up?
379
00:24:10,085 --> 00:24:11,519
Okay.
I'm on the way up.
380
00:24:16,506 --> 00:24:17,937
Panties and tights.
381
00:24:18,743 --> 00:24:19,731
Where were they?
382
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,015
In the bottom of the
submarine under a drain.
383
00:24:22,038 --> 00:24:23,123
How have they ended up there?
384
00:24:23,124 --> 00:24:24,810
They think they were
was placed there.
385
00:24:25,185 --> 00:24:27,968
So, they didn't wash down there
when the sub was emptied?
386
00:24:29,212 --> 00:24:32,098
They don't think so, but
it cannot be excluded.
387
00:24:33,557 --> 00:24:35,302
Why on earth would
she put them there?
388
00:24:36,574 --> 00:24:37,511
Are they hers?
389
00:24:38,447 --> 00:24:39,317
Maybe?
390
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,321
They have been brought to
forensics for DNA analysis.
391
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,194
Thank you.
392
00:24:51,719 --> 00:24:52,532
This is Maibritt.
393
00:24:53,236 --> 00:24:56,314
She is part of the
investigation team.
394
00:24:56,564 --> 00:24:57,084
- Hello.
- Hello.
395
00:24:57,670 --> 00:24:59,763
I understand there are some
things you don't want us to see?
396
00:24:59,775 --> 00:25:05,204
No, nothing you can't see. But
some things you can't copy.
397
00:25:06,155 --> 00:25:10,457
Our daughter is a journalist and there
are many that trust in her confidentiality.
398
00:25:10,665 --> 00:25:12,891
It's really about
protecting her sources.
399
00:25:14,394 --> 00:25:17,528
Yes, of course.
My apologies.
400
00:25:18,446 --> 00:25:22,809
Well, Maibritt will liaise
and work with you on this.
401
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,238
Shall we start?
402
00:25:26,293 --> 00:25:26,850
- Yes.
- Yes.
403
00:25:28,006 --> 00:25:30,150
Everything should be here.
404
00:25:39,763 --> 00:25:42,837
All these photos are from
The Marshall Islands.
405
00:25:43,247 --> 00:25:47,226
The Americans did 67
Atomic bomb tests there
406
00:25:47,251 --> 00:25:51,140
between 1946 and 1958,
if I am not mistaken.
407
00:25:52,348 --> 00:25:57,538
Kim along with two colleagues went there
to write series of articles about it.
408
00:25:58,548 --> 00:26:00,446
That's, where these
pictures are from.
409
00:26:02,084 --> 00:26:04,917
The poor children didn't
understand any of it.
410
00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:10,920
They said there were two sunrises.
One in the east and one in the west.
411
00:26:11,579 --> 00:26:13,887
And then it suddenly snowed.
412
00:26:14,046 --> 00:26:17,632
They had never seen snow before.
They were so
413
00:26:17,657 --> 00:26:21,186
happy that they rushed
out and played in it.
414
00:26:21,773 --> 00:26:25,052
But of course it wasn't snow.
415
00:26:25,736 --> 00:26:27,697
It was radioactive ash.
416
00:26:29,996 --> 00:26:35,482
It lies in the middle of the Pacific
Ocean between Hawaii and Australia.
417
00:26:35,828 --> 00:26:37,667
Right in between actually.
418
00:26:38,574 --> 00:26:40,720
It's like a ticking bomb.
419
00:26:41,144 --> 00:26:47,060
And even if the US did a
big cleanup in 1978..
420
00:26:47,143 --> 00:26:51,049
There it is. But they just
removed the radioactive
421
00:26:51,074 --> 00:26:54,238
stuff and covered it
in this concrete capsule.
422
00:26:55,364 --> 00:26:57,009
But the fact is
423
00:26:57,999 --> 00:27:01,584
that the plutonium has a
half-life time of 24,000 years.
424
00:27:02,805 --> 00:27:06,163
It is just a matter of time
before the concrete shell
425
00:27:06,188 --> 00:27:09,664
breaks and all the radioactive
material goes into the sea.
426
00:27:11,226 --> 00:27:15,282
Well, yes. She won
numerous awards...
427
00:27:16,309 --> 00:27:18,353
for that story.
428
00:27:29,953 --> 00:27:32,706
Even though everything points to
that they didn't know each other,
429
00:27:32,809 --> 00:27:34,927
I still would like to
discuss something with you.
430
00:27:37,834 --> 00:27:40,348
One of the newspapers called me
431
00:27:40,866 --> 00:27:44,371
and they are considering
to print a story, that
432
00:27:45,672 --> 00:27:47,768
is based purely on rumours.
433
00:27:49,038 --> 00:27:50,772
What kind of rumours?
434
00:27:54,590 --> 00:28:00,051
That Kim and the accused
did indeed know each other.
435
00:28:01,209 --> 00:28:03,353
And that they were
having an affair.
436
00:28:05,513 --> 00:28:08,114
I'm very sorry to have
to bring this up.
437
00:28:09,953 --> 00:28:13,920
It is likely that this story
will be the headlines tomorrow.
438
00:28:14,298 --> 00:28:17,778
And I wanted that you learned
about it beforehand.
439
00:28:17,815 --> 00:28:19,266
Good God!
440
00:28:20,548 --> 00:28:24,214
But it isn't true.
What sort of journalists are they?
441
00:28:53,895 --> 00:28:54,459
Hi.
442
00:29:14,137 --> 00:29:15,275
How's it going?
443
00:29:17,623 --> 00:29:18,335
Good.
444
00:29:31,142 --> 00:29:33,751
I've never worked a
murder case, that I could
445
00:29:33,776 --> 00:29:36,053
just leave in the office
when I went home.
446
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,676
- Maibritt?
- Yes.
447
00:30:19,418 --> 00:30:21,268
I don't know how it is in
the Police, but here
448
00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:23,204
we don't have time
for this kind of stuff.
449
00:30:23,315 --> 00:30:24,419
I can give you 5 minutes.
450
00:30:24,515 --> 00:30:25,120
That's fine.
451
00:30:25,325 --> 00:30:26,374
We can can go this way.
452
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:39,646
I don’t know what you are on about.
Are you sure you have the right person?
453
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:40,853
Yes, I am sure.
454
00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:46,138
Well....what is it, I
am meant to have said?
455
00:30:46,547 --> 00:30:50,798
You said that you saw the two kissing
at a Cafe down in Christianshavn.
456
00:30:52,547 --> 00:30:54,816
Why would I lie about it?
457
00:30:56,569 --> 00:30:58,237
To make yourself important?
458
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:01,609
If there is nothing else...
459
00:31:01,612 --> 00:31:02,712
There is.
460
00:31:07,097 --> 00:31:08,554
Pernille Rønnebæk.
461
00:31:09,816 --> 00:31:11,198
Does that name ring any bells?
462
00:31:11,534 --> 00:31:12,461
Yes.
Why?
463
00:31:13,028 --> 00:31:16,399
She is the one who called us and
said that you two had sat next to
464
00:31:16,423 --> 00:31:19,608
each other at a dinner and you stated
that you had seen them together.
465
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:20,915
In Christianshavn.
466
00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:29,601
If it isn't true, then I best go back
to her and ask why she is lying to us.
467
00:31:33,254 --> 00:31:35,004
Yes, maybe it is true.
468
00:31:35,011 --> 00:31:35,596
Very good.
469
00:31:35,597 --> 00:31:37,174
When was it you saw
them together?
470
00:31:45,523 --> 00:31:46,849
Well, I didn’t actually.
471
00:31:47,323 --> 00:31:49,501
- What do you mean?
- I didn't see them together.
472
00:31:51,196 --> 00:31:52,879
So, you were lying?
473
00:31:53,713 --> 00:31:58,326
I heard it somewhere, but said it
like it had been me that saw them.
474
00:32:01,139 --> 00:32:01,952
Okay!
475
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:05,028
Who did you hear it from?
476
00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:08,260
Well, that I can't remember.
477
00:32:19,178 --> 00:32:23,500
I don't know about you, but in the Police
we don't have time for this kind of stuff.
478
00:32:23,621 --> 00:32:25,942
And I don't think the
victim’s family has either?
479
00:32:37,245 --> 00:32:41,368
Day 6
16ᵗʰ August 2017
480
00:32:41,833 --> 00:32:42,355
- Hello.
- Hi.
481
00:32:43,138 --> 00:32:46,272
Uhh.. I need to speak to
the Head of Serious Crimes.
482
00:32:51,194 --> 00:32:53,061
I'll see if he is available.
483
00:33:14,536 --> 00:33:15,336
Here you go.
484
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,107
Sorry, we only have water.
Coffee is not ready.
485
00:33:20,045 --> 00:33:20,585
Thanks.
486
00:33:21,051 --> 00:33:21,792
Uhh...Well...
487
00:33:22,116 --> 00:33:23,991
I came because I've
heard that you...
488
00:33:24,569 --> 00:33:26,830
have been looking for my
boat in relation to the
489
00:33:26,856 --> 00:33:28,902
Swedish journalist and the
submarine and all that.
490
00:33:29,002 --> 00:33:29,795
Yes.
Correct.
491
00:33:31,147 --> 00:33:33,602
I don’t know if I need
to have my lawyer here.
492
00:33:34,887 --> 00:33:36,051
I don't know.
493
00:33:39,173 --> 00:33:40,728
What were you doing
at the submarine?
494
00:33:40,733 --> 00:33:41,471
Nothing.
495
00:33:41,746 --> 00:33:42,534
Right.
496
00:33:42,851 --> 00:33:45,855
You just confirmed that it was your
boat next to the submarine, right?
497
00:33:45,905 --> 00:33:46,405
Yes.
498
00:33:46,648 --> 00:33:47,732
It was maybe not you on it?
499
00:33:47,774 --> 00:33:48,938
Yes, it was.
But...
500
00:33:50,983 --> 00:33:54,216
I was never ever up
against the submarine
501
00:33:55,379 --> 00:33:56,082
uhhh....
502
00:33:56,907 --> 00:33:59,410
We were maybe 4 or 5 metres away.
503
00:34:00,363 --> 00:34:01,715
OK, trying to find it...
504
00:34:02,677 --> 00:34:03,433
Right...
505
00:34:04,734 --> 00:34:07,696
My son was fascinated by the
submarine and we took this photo.
506
00:34:10,580 --> 00:34:11,717
That was all.
507
00:34:13,982 --> 00:34:17,117
I was all up in arms
when I read about it.
508
00:34:18,249 --> 00:34:22,649
Maybe that you would think I was involved.
But I am not.
509
00:34:23,874 --> 00:34:26,165
So you don't know anything about
the submarine and the journalist?
510
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:28,854
No.
Only what has been written..
511
00:34:29,895 --> 00:34:30,793
Well...
512
00:34:32,088 --> 00:34:35,392
We spoke to them for no more
than couple of minutes.
513
00:34:36,416 --> 00:34:37,646
And that was that.
514
00:34:46,192 --> 00:34:47,252
Yes.
Okay.
515
00:34:50,488 --> 00:34:53,683
Many thanks for
coming in to see us.
516
00:34:54,949 --> 00:34:56,310
So we could clarify this.
517
00:34:56,533 --> 00:34:57,521
I'll see you out.
518
00:34:58,852 --> 00:35:00,392
- I can go?
- Yes, sure.
519
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,135
We'll just pop in to IT, so they
can get a copy of the photo.
520
00:35:03,235 --> 00:35:04,740
Yes, no problem.
521
00:36:26,885 --> 00:36:32,823
Hi, you have called Cecilie. I can't take
your call, so please leave a message. Bye.
522
00:36:59,667 --> 00:37:00,702
So, you are here?
523
00:37:01,991 --> 00:37:02,750
Yes.
524
00:37:06,442 --> 00:37:07,402
How is it going?
525
00:37:09,858 --> 00:37:11,069
Are you making progress?
526
00:37:13,002 --> 00:37:14,740
Yes...
or...
527
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,273
Everytime we think we have found
something it turns out to be nothing.
528
00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:26,732
How about you?
529
00:37:26,948 --> 00:37:27,682
Me?
530
00:37:28,501 --> 00:37:29,474
I'm fine.
531
00:37:35,546 --> 00:37:37,262
Did you speak to Cecilie?
532
00:37:44,249 --> 00:37:45,837
What if she is angry at me?
533
00:37:47,856 --> 00:37:48,779
She is.
534
00:37:49,985 --> 00:37:52,520
She tells you that she is pregnant
and you just left.
535
00:38:12,003 --> 00:38:16,020
Day 11
21ˢᵗ August 2017
536
00:38:33,034 --> 00:38:35,801
We need to become more
targeted in our search.
537
00:38:37,319 --> 00:38:40,770
Who can say for sure that the body
hasn't washed all the way to Poland?
538
00:38:42,249 --> 00:38:43,885
No, one can say for sure.
539
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:46,953
Put a hand over one eye...
540
00:38:48,484 --> 00:38:51,164
and imagine looking through
a paper roll with the other
541
00:38:51,189 --> 00:38:54,347
and then look for a needle
on a football pitch.
542
00:38:54,965 --> 00:38:58,139
That is what I am
asking of my people.
543
00:38:59,184 --> 00:39:00,379
Everyday, Jens.
544
00:39:01,611 --> 00:39:03,548
From sunrise to sunset.
545
00:39:04,072 --> 00:39:05,781
Down to 12 metres depth.
546
00:39:26,209 --> 00:39:27,471
I've just heard from forensics.
547
00:39:27,474 --> 00:39:31,447
Unfortunately they have not found any
DNA traces on the panties or tights.
548
00:39:31,926 --> 00:39:35,066
And what about the divers or the
helicopters? Nothing from them?
549
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,264
Nope.
550
00:39:39,279 --> 00:39:41,845
Some Swedes believe they
may have found some of
551
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:44,329
her clothes. But it
really could be anyone’s.
552
00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:58,948
It's Jens.
553
00:40:03,352 --> 00:40:05,419
No, I have no comment to that.
554
00:40:06,369 --> 00:40:09,906
But I promise, you will be
the first one to know. Okay?
555
00:40:11,298 --> 00:40:12,082
Thanks.
556
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,144
We basically have nothing.
557
00:40:49,097 --> 00:40:50,394
- Also there.
- Hmmm
558
00:40:51,169 --> 00:40:52,440
And there or what?
559
00:40:53,929 --> 00:40:57,158
- Not the same.
- No, no. I would agree.
560
00:41:01,859 --> 00:41:03,016
It's Nikolaj Storm.
561
00:41:05,594 --> 00:41:06,860
Look at that again.
562
00:41:06,885 --> 00:41:07,985
When?
563
00:41:11,144 --> 00:41:11,801
Yes.
564
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,053
Sure.
565
00:41:15,566 --> 00:41:17,481
We're on our way.
566
00:41:28,237 --> 00:41:28,948
It's Jens.
567
00:41:29,869 --> 00:41:31,703
Jens, it's Nikolaj.
568
00:41:32,088 --> 00:41:33,418
Are you on the way home?
569
00:41:33,435 --> 00:41:34,308
Yes.
570
00:41:35,272 --> 00:41:36,609
You best turn around.
571
00:41:36,885 --> 00:41:37,848
Why is that?
572
00:41:39,312 --> 00:41:43,109
Because the torso of a dead woman
has just washed on shore in Amager.